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		<title>By: sTew</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-24346</link>
		<dc:creator>sTew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... 

The user is not there to figure out how your software works but rather to complete a particular task at hand. When confronted with an error message, it disrupts the completion of the task.

Had your message read &quot;We have an error, click on this button/link to fix/find out how to fix it&quot; and you may have different feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; </p>
<p>The user is not there to figure out how your software works but rather to complete a particular task at hand. When confronted with an error message, it disrupts the completion of the task.</p>
<p>Had your message read &#8220;We have an error, click on this button/link to fix/find out how to fix it&#8221; and you may have different feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: rukh.de &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Your Server Made A Boo Boo</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-24197</link>
		<dc:creator>rukh.de &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Your Server Made A Boo Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I just stumbled over this blog entry from OddThinking (I know it is quite old, being written in July last year). But it really caught my eye and I got a sudden flashback to cryptic Windows error messages (something like Error 3234 or another one, which states that I did not have the permission do to something and that I should contact my administrator&#8230;on a Win 98 box). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I just stumbled over this blog entry from OddThinking (I know it is quite old, being written in July last year). But it really caught my eye and I got a sudden flashback to cryptic Windows error messages (something like Error 3234 or another one, which states that I did not have the permission do to something and that I should contact my administrator&#8230;on a Win 98 box). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-24164</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monkeyget,

Yes, that is a trap that I sometimes fall into.

I try to ensure that the important part is in the first sentence, so they can decide whether to read the rest or just ignore the error and continue..

But surely, even if an error message is a long one and you are not a strong reader, it is easier to read through it than to take screen shot and ask someone else to read it for you.

Inevitably, the email I sent back was longer than the error message. Inevitably, the language wasn&#039;t as tight or as clear. I didn&#039;t have the time or the resources to spend on one support email that I could spend on getting the error message &quot;right&quot; the first time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monkeyget,</p>
<p>Yes, that is a trap that I sometimes fall into.</p>
<p>I try to ensure that the important part is in the first sentence, so they can decide whether to read the rest or just ignore the error and continue..</p>
<p>But surely, even if an error message is a long one and you are not a strong reader, it is easier to read through it than to take screen shot and ask someone else to read it for you.</p>
<p>Inevitably, the email I sent back was longer than the error message. Inevitably, the language wasn&#8217;t as tight or as clear. I didn&#8217;t have the time or the resources to spend on one support email that I could spend on getting the error message &#8220;right&#8221; the first time.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyget</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-24157</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkeyget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe your message was overly long (at least it&#039;s what it looks like reading your post) and the user didn&#039;t bother reading all that text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe your message was overly long (at least it&#8217;s what it looks like reading your post) and the user didn&#8217;t bother reading all that text.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-24144</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I’d say your problem could be definitely could be easily be solved by good UI design.&quot; -- I&#039;ll take those words back as I now see you know your stuff. Nonetheless it would be very interesting to see the actual problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I’d say your problem could be definitely could be easily be solved by good UI design.&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;ll take those words back as I now see you know your stuff. Nonetheless it would be very interesting to see the actual problem!</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-24140</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

I agree with you in principle - although I would word the practice slightly differently. It is not the the user &quot;never makes mistakes&quot; as much as &quot;don&#039;t give the user the opportunity to make mistakes&quot;.

As you hinted, sometimes it is not possible. In this particular situation, the solution required a physical action to be taken by the user, which wasn&#039;t something that could be solved by software.

As for the captcha placement - oh dear. I am afraid I have never seen the captcha facility on OddThinking. I am using a SpamKarma, and it only displays the captcha request on borderline cases, where it can&#039;t decide whether it is spam or not. It knows my IP address, and never doubts my email. Mea culpa. I clearly will have to do some more testing; I have been overall impressed with the plugin, so I assumed it was doing a reasonable job here too. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I agree with you in principle &#8211; although I would word the practice slightly differently. It is not the the user &#8220;never makes mistakes&#8221; as much as &#8220;don&#8217;t give the user the opportunity to make mistakes&#8221;.</p>
<p>As you hinted, sometimes it is not possible. In this particular situation, the solution required a physical action to be taken by the user, which wasn&#8217;t something that could be solved by software.</p>
<p>As for the captcha placement &#8211; oh dear. I am afraid I have never seen the captcha facility on OddThinking. I am using a SpamKarma, and it only displays the captcha request on borderline cases, where it can&#8217;t decide whether it is spam or not. It knows my IP address, and never doubts my email. Mea culpa. I clearly will have to do some more testing; I have been overall impressed with the plugin, so I assumed it was doing a reasonable job here too. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-24138</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem, don&#039;t want to sound like a smart-ass here, but from what I&#039;ve seen from the captcha&#039;s placement, its error message, and the confirmation of success without offering a link back to the entry to see my comment in place, I&#039;d say your problem could be definitely could be easily be solved by good UI design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem, don&#8217;t want to sound like a smart-ass here, but from what I&#8217;ve seen from the captcha&#8217;s placement, its error message, and the confirmation of success without offering a link back to the entry to see my comment in place, I&#8217;d say your problem could be definitely could be easily be solved by good UI design.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-24137</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;[...] user realising their mistake and quickly correcting it&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, the best UI design practice is thinking &quot;the user never makes mistakes&quot;. Error messages should be reserved for extreme cases in which the app can&#039;t interpret what the user wanted to do. It&#039;s hard to tell without knowing the details, but if it&#039;s a problem that is frequently reproduced by users and the steps to correct it can be listed, then the problem most likely can be corrected silently by the app itself instead of asking the user to do it.

Example: in Windows try dragging and dropping a document over a running app on the taskbar, you will get a dialog explaining that you should not drag a document over there. The computer knows that I wan&#039;t to do but it won&#039;t allow me. Microsoft should a. implement the taskbar to do something (most likely open the document) or b. change the cursor to a &quot;not allowed&quot; cursor to hint that the action is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>[...] user realising their mistake and quickly correcting it</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, the best UI design practice is thinking &#8220;the user never makes mistakes&#8221;. Error messages should be reserved for extreme cases in which the app can&#8217;t interpret what the user wanted to do. It&#8217;s hard to tell without knowing the details, but if it&#8217;s a problem that is frequently reproduced by users and the steps to correct it can be listed, then the problem most likely can be corrected silently by the app itself instead of asking the user to do it.</p>
<p>Example: in Windows try dragging and dropping a document over a running app on the taskbar, you will get a dialog explaining that you should not drag a document over there. The computer knows that I wan&#8217;t to do but it won&#8217;t allow me. Microsoft should a. implement the taskbar to do something (most likely open the document) or b. change the cursor to a &#8220;not allowed&#8221; cursor to hint that the action is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Pupeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pupeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are users that read error and users that don&#039;t. The difference would be easily calculated by comparing how many calls the tech support got after you improved the error.
For that one user that sent you an email (only one user) just copy and paste the set of steps... maybe then he/she will realize that errors, messages, signs are there to be read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are users that read error and users that don&#8217;t. The difference would be easily calculated by comparing how many calls the tech support got after you improved the error.<br />
For that one user that sent you an email (only one user) just copy and paste the set of steps&#8230; maybe then he/she will realize that errors, messages, signs are there to be read.</p>
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		<title>By: brainsnorkel.com &#187; Why good error messages matter: iTunes and iPod update</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/07/11/clearly-erroneous/comment-page-1/#comment-7718</link>
		<dc:creator>brainsnorkel.com &#187; Why good error messages matter: iTunes and iPod update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The event that took me from accepting to annoyed was when I encountered the dialog above. From the text you can&#8217;t tell what you might have to do to resolve the problem, but it&#8217;s clearly something to do with the iPod&#8217;s disk. It&#8217;s two seemingly well-thought out sentences that seem very specific, but are actually quite ambiguous. The phrase &#8220;could not be read from or written to&#8221; suffers particularly badly from the English convention of interpreting the word &#8220;or&#8221; as a logical &#8220;and.&#8221; I know writing good error messages is hard, I assumed the best and let my problem isolation skills run wild. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The event that took me from accepting to annoyed was when I encountered the dialog above. From the text you can&#8217;t tell what you might have to do to resolve the problem, but it&#8217;s clearly something to do with the iPod&#8217;s disk. It&#8217;s two seemingly well-thought out sentences that seem very specific, but are actually quite ambiguous. The phrase &#8220;could not be read from or written to&#8221; suffers particularly badly from the English convention of interpreting the word &#8220;or&#8221; as a logical &#8220;and.&#8221; I know writing good error messages is hard, I assumed the best and let my problem isolation skills run wild. [...]</p>
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