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		<title>By: OddThinking &#187; Nice Guy in a Photo Finish</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/09/08/you-re-touch-my-comments-ill-re-touch-your-face/comment-page-1/#comment-69230</link>
		<dc:creator>OddThinking &#187; Nice Guy in a Photo Finish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] garden background. I don&#8217;t deny it improved the photograph, and I don&#8217;t claim the touch-up went too far, but if you were going to go to that much effort on preparing a photograph, the extra effort of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OddThinking &#187; You can&#8217;t judge a cover</title>
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		<dc:creator>OddThinking &#187; You can&#8217;t judge a cover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 07:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this supposed to be attractive? Excessive photo re-touching to imply a thinner model? Surely not. So perhaps the artist is suggesting that, in the future, we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/09/08/you-re-touch-my-comments-ill-re-touch-your-face/comment-page-1/#comment-48710</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reuter&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.reuters.com/2007/01/18/the-use-of-photoshop/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Policy on Photoshop&lt;/a&gt; (which presumably applies to all digital image editing tools, not just Photoshop)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reuter&#8217;s <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/2007/01/18/the-use-of-photoshop/" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">Policy on Photoshop</a> (which presumably applies to all digital image editing tools, not just Photoshop)</p>
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		<title>By: Trackback Attack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trackback Attack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s a good idea. You have a blog, I have a blog. I can commont on your blog by posting on my blog and sending you a trackback. This is great because it means that I own the comment and can update/correct it in accordance with my own ethical standards. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s a good idea. You have a blog, I have a blog. I can commont on your blog by posting on my blog and sending you a trackback. This is great because it means that I own the comment and can update/correct it in accordance with my own ethical standards. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/09/08/you-re-touch-my-comments-ill-re-touch-your-face/comment-page-1/#comment-18888</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alastair,

I found myself giggling at this. Why? Because Jeff Atwood at CodingHorror once &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/08/21/20q/#comment-519&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;picked me up&lt;/a&gt; on a similar inappropriate choice of words. My solution? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/08/21/20q/#comment-631&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Apologise&lt;/a&gt; and edit the offending text.

Where comments have been created merely to highlight simple typos and similar errors, I have corrected text and deleted the comment. Where the error has been significant, I normally let the comment stand and indicate that the update has been made. Maybe Atwood considered this no more than the former case?

In related news, I am working on a new blog post about CAPTCHA triggered by the very same CodingHorror article you commented on - I just need to check one or two things before I post it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alastair,</p>
<p>I found myself giggling at this. Why? Because Jeff Atwood at CodingHorror once <a href="http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/08/21/20q/#comment-519" rel="nofollow" class="liinternal">picked me up</a> on a similar inappropriate choice of words. My solution? <a href="http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/08/21/20q/#comment-631" rel="nofollow" class="liinternal">Apologise</a> and edit the offending text.</p>
<p>Where comments have been created merely to highlight simple typos and similar errors, I have corrected text and deleted the comment. Where the error has been significant, I normally let the comment stand and indicate that the update has been made. Maybe Atwood considered this no more than the former case?</p>
<p>In related news, I am working on a new blog post about CAPTCHA triggered by the very same CodingHorror article you commented on &#8211; I just need to check one or two things before I post it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/09/08/you-re-touch-my-comments-ill-re-touch-your-face/comment-page-1/#comment-18880</link>
		<dc:creator>Alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over on codinghorror, I just had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000712.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment of mine&lt;/a&gt; edited. In parentheses I asked if Jeff could find a better term than the word &quot;retard&quot;, used in the post. I went back there to read the followups and was surprised to find my comment edited. &quot;retard&quot; was replaced with the (admittedly far improved) &quot;naive&quot; and my parenthetical comment removed. The post was also updated.

I&#039;m not sure of the ethics here but if it was my blog I would have owned up to using an inappropriate term, and apologised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on codinghorror, I just had a <a href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000712.html" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">comment of mine</a> edited. In parentheses I asked if Jeff could find a better term than the word &#8220;retard&#8221;, used in the post. I went back there to read the followups and was surprised to find my comment edited. &#8220;retard&#8221; was replaced with the (admittedly far improved) &#8220;naive&#8221; and my parenthetical comment removed. The post was also updated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure of the ethics here but if it was my blog I would have owned up to using an inappropriate term, and apologised.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via Chris at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brainsnorkel.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BrainSnorkel&lt;/a&gt; comes a link to the (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;astroturfing&lt;/a&gt;) Campaign for Real Beauty and their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.ca/evolutionshigh.wmv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;advert&lt;/a&gt; complaining how far the touching up of photos can go. 

You can choose for yourself whether you share their apparent outrage, and whether you express that outrage via consumerism (i.e. by purchasing their competing products).

I just thought it was an interesting illustration of what&#039;s possible.

[I also think they made her eyes a bit too large.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via Chris at <a href="http://www.brainsnorkel.com" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">BrainSnorkel</a> comes a link to the (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing" rel="nofollow" class="wikipedia">astroturfing</a>) Campaign for Real Beauty and their <a href="http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.ca/evolutionshigh.wmv" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">advert</a> complaining how far the touching up of photos can go. </p>
<p>You can choose for yourself whether you share their apparent outrage, and whether you express that outrage via consumerism (i.e. by purchasing their competing products).</p>
<p>I just thought it was an interesting illustration of what&#8217;s possible.</p>
<p>[I also think they made her eyes a bit too large.]</p>
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		<title>By: OddThinking &#187; Font matters</title>
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		<dc:creator>OddThinking &#187; Font matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It is not the unrealistic body shape that I shake my head at. I&#8217;ve talked before about the lengths that photo-retouchers will go. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It is not the unrealistic body shape that I shake my head at. I&#8217;ve talked before about the lengths that photo-retouchers will go. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/09/08/you-re-touch-my-comments-ill-re-touch-your-face/comment-page-1/#comment-6640</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 03:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000598.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Coding Horror&lt;/a&gt; comes an argument that &lt;a href=&quot;http://fotogenetic.dearingfilm.com/golden_rectangle.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;35mm film size &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; based on the Golden Ratio&lt;/a&gt; after all - but indirectly, via the Golden Rectangle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via <a href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000598.html" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">Coding Horror</a> comes an argument that <a href="http://fotogenetic.dearingfilm.com/golden_rectangle.html" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">35mm film size <em>is</em> based on the Golden Ratio</a> after all &#8211; but indirectly, via the Golden Rectangle.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!-- UnMarkedDown_2_01132522646--&gt;&lt;p&gt;Casey,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve ranted about it &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://caseyporn.com/blog/archives/000594.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://caseyporn.com/blog/archives/000758.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I read your &#039;rants&#039; when you originally posted them, but I am still only beginning to realise just how right you are. See also the updated version of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/09/06/editing-own-comments/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Editing Own Comments&lt;/a&gt; article.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;PS. You have an dangling parenthesis at the end of your third paragraph about Greg Apodaca. Will you leave it there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The answer is &lt;em&gt;No&lt;/em&gt;. I corrected it (and a capitalisation error I also noticed), However, I didn&#039;t correct the missing full-stop in your &quot;I&#039;ve ranted about it here and here&quot; comment! That line on the hill that I will not cross is curvy and difficult to make out clearly!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;As an aside, any writing or photography or anything else involves &quot;editing&quot; [...] I think that there is a big difference between your creativity in your own work (however that manifests itself) and changing someone else’s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t alter the creativity of others.&quot; and &quot;Don&#039;t alter the voice of others.&quot; seem to be just different ways (voices?) of describing the same thing. I agree. (Aside: By paraphrasing Casey&#039;s and Aristotle&#039;s positions here, did I change their voice too much?) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, it is difficult to apply this to photographs - what does it mean to not change the creativity of a photograph of a shoe or a friend - especially if you are the original photographer?&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Casey,</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve ranted about it <a href="http://caseyporn.com/blog/archives/000594.html" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">here</a> and <a href="http://caseyporn.com/blog/archives/000758.html" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">here</a></p></blockquote>
<p>I read your &#8216;rants&#8217; when you originally posted them, but I am still only beginning to realise just how right you are. See also the updated version of the <a href="http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2005/09/06/editing-own-comments/" rel="nofollow" class="liinternal">Editing Own Comments</a> article.</p>
<blockquote><p>PS. You have an dangling parenthesis at the end of your third paragraph about Greg Apodaca. Will you leave it there?</p></blockquote>
<p>The answer is <em>No</em>. I corrected it (and a capitalisation error I also noticed), However, I didn&#8217;t correct the missing full-stop in your &#8220;I&#8217;ve ranted about it here and here&#8221; comment! That line on the hill that I will not cross is curvy and difficult to make out clearly!</p>
<blockquote><p>As an aside, any writing or photography or anything else involves &#8220;editing&#8221; [...] I think that there is a big difference between your creativity in your own work (however that manifests itself) and changing someone else’s.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t alter the creativity of others.&#8221; and &#8220;Don&#8217;t alter the voice of others.&#8221; seem to be just different ways (voices?) of describing the same thing. I agree. (Aside: By paraphrasing Casey&#8217;s and Aristotle&#8217;s positions here, did I change their voice too much?) </p>
<p>However, it is difficult to apply this to photographs &#8211; what does it mean to not change the creativity of a photograph of a shoe or a friend &#8211; especially if you are the original photographer?</p>
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