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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2006/01/19/mock-phish-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-2701</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops! Sorry, Improfane! When I saw the fake name and password that I entered displayed on the screen after submitting, I wrongly assumed that the details had been pushed back to the server, and a new page had been displayed.

Looking at the code, I see that you use Javascript to fake that effect, turning off the display of some items and turning on the display of the password. It&#039;s all down within the same page, and there&#039;s no server access. Cool!

This is a perfect example of Phase A then. Thank you.

You also have neatly moved your key Javascript into a separate file (n.js), which would be perfect for swapping with nastiness occasionally when (errr... I mean if) you turn from good to evil, and implement Phase B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops! Sorry, Improfane! When I saw the fake name and password that I entered displayed on the screen after submitting, I wrongly assumed that the details had been pushed back to the server, and a new page had been displayed.</p>
<p>Looking at the code, I see that you use Javascript to fake that effect, turning off the display of some items and turning on the display of the password. It&#8217;s all down within the same page, and there&#8217;s no server access. Cool!</p>
<p>This is a perfect example of Phase A then. Thank you.</p>
<p>You also have neatly moved your key Javascript into a separate file (n.js), which would be perfect for swapping with nastiness occasionally when (errr&#8230; I mean if) you turn from good to evil, and implement Phase B.</p>
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		<title>By: Improfane</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2006/01/19/mock-phish-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-2696</link>
		<dc:creator>Improfane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your concern, but the form never actually submits.

&lt;blockquote&gt;

...
function doIdiot(){
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    return false ; }
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The submit eventually returns false so nothing is submitted to me.

I forgot to say that you should try with a made up account - anything works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your concern, but the form never actually submits.</p>
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<p>The submit eventually returns false so nothing is submitted to me.</p>
<p>I forgot to say that you should try with a made up account &#8211; anything works.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2006/01/19/mock-phish-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-2656</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Improfane,

Cool. Your site is much like Phase A, except there is no evidence that you aren&#039;t collecting names and passwords for your own devious Phase B reasons. You even know the application that the passwords are for, so it would be easy to use them.

[To be clear, I am not accusing you of actually collecting passwords; I am just saying that from a security professional&#039;s perspective, you would have to assume that any password entered on a site similar to yours to be compromised.]

My original plan for Phase A was to be able to clearly demonstrate, with hind-sight, that the Mock Phish site was &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; really harvesting the passwords. My realisation was that it would be very hard to prove that satisfactorily; it is too easy to come up with complicated skull-duggery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Improfane,</p>
<p>Cool. Your site is much like Phase A, except there is no evidence that you aren&#8217;t collecting names and passwords for your own devious Phase B reasons. You even know the application that the passwords are for, so it would be easy to use them.</p>
<p>[To be clear, I am not accusing you of actually collecting passwords; I am just saying that from a security professional's perspective, you would have to assume that any password entered on a site similar to yours to be compromised.]</p>
<p>My original plan for Phase A was to be able to clearly demonstrate, with hind-sight, that the Mock Phish site was <em>not</em> really harvesting the passwords. My realisation was that it would be very hard to prove that satisfactorily; it is too easy to come up with complicated skull-duggery.</p>
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		<title>By: Improfane</title>
		<link>http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/2006/01/19/mock-phish-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-2650</link>
		<dc:creator>Improfane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand correctly, &lt;a href=&quot;http://improfane.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/neopet/idiots/login.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this&lt;/a&gt; is something I did to help raise awareness of security for an online game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understand correctly, <a href="http://improfane.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/neopet/idiots/login.htm" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal"> this</a> is something I did to help raise awareness of security for an online game.</p>
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