{"id":281,"date":"2006-09-08T19:58:41","date_gmt":"2006-09-08T08:58:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/2006\/09\/08\/not-following-the-no-nofollow-following\/"},"modified":"2006-09-08T19:59:41","modified_gmt":"2006-09-08T08:59:41","slug":"not-following-the-no-nofollow-following","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/2006\/09\/08\/not-following-the-no-nofollow-following\/","title":{"rendered":"Not Following the &#8220;No NoFollow&#8221; Following"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I was checking the semantics of HTML&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/googleblog.blogspot.com\/2005\/01\/preventing-comment-spam.html\">rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221; attribute<\/a> the other day. While doing so, I stumbled across the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nonofollow.net\/\">No NoFollow wiki<\/a> site, and learnt a few lessons.<\/p>\n<p>To start with, there is a whole movement of web-masters I didn&#8217;t know existed: People who hate the &#8220;nofollow&#8221; attribute! They particularly object to it in its most common incarnation &#8211; in blog comments.<\/p>\n<h4>Spurious Reasons<\/h4>\n<p>Unfortunately, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nonofollow.net\/\">11 listed reasons<\/a> given to not use the attribute are largely spurious and repetitive rationalisations. <\/p>\n<p>For example, just because your site isn&#8217;t given a boost to its PageRank doesn&#8217;t &#8220;eliminate the dissemination of free speech&#8221;. Remember: even in the countries that recognise a right to free speech, they protect the right to speak, not some mythical right to have people pay attention to you when you speak.<\/p>\n<div class=\"aside\">I would rather use the non-trademarked generic equivalent of PageRank (which is trademarked to Google). If Google followed trademark rules (e.g. called it the PageRank<sup>TM<\/sup> site rating system) I could do so easily, but <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/technology\/\">Google haven&#8217;t seen fit to do this<\/a> so I figure they don&#8217;t deserve any special effort from me.<\/div>\n<p>Here&#8217;s another example of spuriousness. They lobby that, because &#8220;nofollow&#8221; is confusingly named, others should not use it. I support the concept of naming attributes clearly (see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/2006\/01\/01\/wordpress-versus-rss-versus-bloglines\">my opinions<\/a> on the &#8220;alternate&#8221; versus &#8220;alternative&#8221; attribute debate), but I wouldn&#8217;t tell others to abandon an attribute out of spiteful pedantism.<\/p>\n<p>A third example: just because &#8220;nofollow&#8221; is not directly useful to the human reader, doesn&#8217;t make it perfectly valid markup. It is no reason to abandon it.<\/p>\n<h4>Wiki Weakness<\/h4>\n<p>The Wiki format isn&#8217;t working for anyone here. The basic propositions are lost in a sea of rebuttals and counter-points. It is difficult to understand where it all started, and who is disagreeing with who. (Here&#8217;s an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nonofollow.net\/index.php?title=Could_be_used_to_further_discriminate_weblogs&#038;action=history\">egregious example<\/a> &#8211; at least at the time of writing.)<\/p>\n<p>A wiki is a great place to have a consensus, but an awful place to have a disagreement.<\/p>\n<h4>Plugin Support<\/h4>\n<p>There are a few <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?hl=en&#038;lr=&#038;rls=GGIC%2CGGIC%3A2006-18%2CGGIC%3Aen&#038;q=nofollow+%2Bplugin+%2Bwordpress\">WordPress plugins<\/a> out there to change the NoFollow behaviour. Some eliminate it. Others recognise that spam-proof fences don&#8217;t exist yet, and leave a nofollow tag in for a few days until the moderator has had a chance to clean up any remaining spam.<\/p>\n<h4>Forming My Own Opinion<\/h4>\n<p>I went away from the site dismissing it as net-foolishness, but my thoughts did come back to it over the next few days, and I have gradually changed my mind over to a compromise position.<\/p>\n<p>My first premise is that I want to treat my fellow-blogging comment writers well for two reasons &#8211; I want to encourage comments on my blog and I want to be treated well by others when I comment on their blogs. <\/p>\n<p>Posting a (non-spam) comment here increases the value of my blog. While I don&#8217;t feel ethically obliged to include references to my commenter&#8217;s web-sites, I am happy to do so (within the bounds of good taste) as a small reward for posting a comment here. If their comment is interesting, perhaps readers will follow the link to learn more about the commenter.<\/p>\n<p>However, I have slowly come to realise something: Just because you have a web-page <em>and<\/em> you comment on my blog does not mean your web-page is more worthwhile to web-surfers as a whole. You don&#8217;t deserve better PageRank merely for posting an unrelated comment on a different blog. You <em>do<\/em> deserve PageRank when other people reference your site.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, the behaviour I desire from a NoFollow plugin is:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>If the commenter enters their URL in the appropriate field in the submission form, display it to the readers with the NoFollow attribute.\n<\/li>\n<li>However, don&#8217;t use the NoFollow attribute on links to arbitrary blogs entered <em>in the comment body text itself<\/em>!<\/li>\n<li>However, <em>do<\/em> use the NoFollow tag for the first week or two that a comment appears in case a spam gets through.\n<div class=\"aside\">Some people argue that extra PageRank doesn&#8217;t help spam, so this rule isn&#8217;t necessary. They may well be right, but I am not yet convinced by their arguments, so I want to play it safe.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>[Desirable, optional requirement] Manually approved &#8220;ham&#8221; comments need not have the week&#8217;s protection.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>When I find a plugin that implements this behaviour, I will install it here.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I stumbled across the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nonofollow.net\/\">No NoFollow wiki<\/a> site, and learnt a few lessons.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[32,24,29,34],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-281","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-about-oddthinking","category-cathartic-rant","category-influencing-others","category-software-development"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/281","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=281"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/281\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=281"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=281"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=281"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}