{"id":674,"date":"2008-10-16T17:58:09","date_gmt":"2008-10-16T07:58:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/?p=674"},"modified":"2008-10-16T17:58:09","modified_gmt":"2008-10-16T07:58:09","slug":"a-critique-of-three-puzzles-and-a-poem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/2008\/10\/16\/a-critique-of-three-puzzles-and-a-poem\/","title":{"rendered":"A Critique of Three Puzzles and a Poem"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Consider these two old puzzles:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Punctuate this word sequence to make it a meaningful sentence: James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher\" title=\"Wikipedia definition of James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher\" class=\"wikipedia\">[Solution]<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>Write a sentence with the word &#8220;and&#8221; appearing five times in a row. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.painintheenglish.com\/post.php?id=492\">[Solution]<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen these puzzles before, feel free to go and try to solve them first before reading the solutions. There are more spoilers below.<\/p>\n<p>I want to show that the solutions to these two puzzles have a common flaw &#8211; no, that&#8217;s the wrong word. A cheat? A workaround? A disappointment!<\/p>\n<p>The disappointment is that they rely on both sides of the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction\" title=\"Wikipedia definition of Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction\" class=\"wikipedia\">use-mention distinction<\/a>. As soon as some of the words are (implicity or explicitly) quoted, I think the glamour of the solution is lost. <\/p>\n<p>I will explain that further, but first consider an old children&#8217;s poem that suffers the same fate. It can be written two ways:<\/p>\n<p>The humorous way:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>11 was a racehorse.<br \/>\n22 was 12.<br \/>\n1111 race.<br \/>\n22112.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The explanatory way:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Juan-juan was a racehorse.<br \/>\nTu-tu was one, too.<br \/>\nJuan-Juan won one race,<br \/>\nTu-tu won one, too.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This was a fun poem when I was a kid, and yet rather dissatisying as an adult. The names of the horses aren&#8217;t, in a way, real words. They could be anything. Hence, the poem could be &#8220;improved&#8221;:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>11 was a racehorse.<br \/>\n221121121128293612 was 12&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Similarly, I could claim that John, in fact, had had &#8220;had had had had had had had had had had had had had had had had had&#8221;, which the teacher said was ungrammatical.<\/p>\n<p>Want me to continue? Too bad, I shall anyway. <\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t like the HTML rendering on the solution page for the second puzzle; there should have been more space between the &#8220;Pig&#8221; and &#8220;and and and and and&#8221; and &#8220;and and and and and&#8221; and &#8220;Whistle&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>That reminds me of the Buffalo puzzle:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Parse this valid sentence: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Buffalo_buffalo\" title=\"Wikipedia definition of Buffalo_buffalo\" class=\"wikipedia\">[Solution]<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Again, mild spoilers below so try to solve it if you like before you read on.<\/p>\n<p>For some reason, I find this sentence far more interesting. <\/p>\n<p>It does cross over the use-mention distinction as it contains some proper nouns, but for some reason is seems more harmonious way. It also can be extended by a buffalo or two (Wikipedia claiming indefinitely.)<\/p>\n<p>So, I don&#8217;t know why I don&#8217;t grumble about this sentence for the same reasons. It just feels better. Any ideas?<\/p>\n<div class=\"aside\">Wikipedia also points out that other words can have similar sentences constructed. Police police police police police.<\/div>\n<p>I learnt something from writing this article. The Had Had sentence which I grumbled about, above, was written by a philosopher called <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hans_Reichenbach\" title=\"Wikipedia definition of Hans_Reichenbach\" class=\"wikipedia\">Hans Reichenbach<\/a>. (A wasted opportunity; if his name had been Hans H. Hans-Hans, we could have had far more fun!) According to Wikipedia, he wrote it as an exercise in understanding the distinction between Object Language and Metalanguage! That is, has was deliberately playing with the use-mention distinction, to demonstrate how it worked. <\/p>\n<p>I feel a bit better about it now, and I am starting to get a wider and deeper perspective of the real issue: that someone needs a biscuit and a little lie down before tackling any more puzzles.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In which Julian grumbles pointlessly about a couple of word puzzles and a kid&#8217;s poem, and then is reminded of a better example of a word puzzle, discovers something interesting about a puzzle&#8217;s origin, and goes off a little happier.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[105,91,305],"class_list":["post-674","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-linguistics","tag-puzzles","tag-use-mention"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/674","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=674"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/674\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":678,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/674\/revisions\/678"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=674"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=674"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.somethinkodd.com\/oddthinking\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=674"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}